How to align topics in flow chart without automaticaly switching position?

Steven shared this question 13 days ago
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I have a flow chart with about 30-40 topics, which I want to align in horizontal and vertical order. However, when I align two topics and change another topics position just slightly, it blows up the whole arrangement and nearly every topic is switching its position randomly. Doesn't matter if I use arrow keys, drag and drop or align function, the results are always the same.

I recreated the problem in attached pciture. Hope thats understandable.

How can I align topics and keep their position?

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MindManager is preventing collisions between floating topics by repositioning them. This can often result in a leap over a neighbouring topic to free space on the other side, significantly changing the layout. If I am reading the example correctly, centre-aligning two topics that are at the same vertical height on the page is guaranteed to trigger an anti-collision response. To keep them in the right order, make sure there is vertical space between every topic. You can also right-click on a topic and edit the format to reduce margins, to make them as compact as possible.

The "Layout Tools" App will help in this particular case: you can set vertical or horizontal space between topics, which will ensure that they can fit together in lines when aligned.

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Preventing collisions is understandable, but the range arround one topic doesn't bring any change for me. Margin was changed from 2mm to 0 mm and still same result.

Seems as if the automatic change of position doesn't make any sense here. I move "D" to the right and "B" and "C" are moving down closer "D" in vertical position.

If "A" and "B" are algined afterwards and the position of "D" is changed manually in any direction, "A" and "B" will move down and left. Doesn't matter if "D" is moved up or down (see picture attached).

So distance for sure can't be the logic behind this behaviour.

Layout Tools in can't try at them moment, so can't say anythin about that.

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Could you attach your test map?

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Tried to recreate it best I could.

But when I saved the data, the position automaticaly switched, right after clicking on the save button and before the saving process was finished.

So when I align "A" and "B" horizontaly first and "B" and "C" verticaly afterwards and move "D" to the left, position switch is happenning again

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Thank you for the map. I am not sure that I am reproducing the same issue but your description does sound like the behaviour of topics that are being repelled by a near neighbour. When a topic is under anti-collision placement, it is sort of "spring loaded" to jump to a different place when moved only slightly. You can only tell if it is in this condition by moving it. If any other topics also move, or if it jumps somewhere else. this tells you it was in its position under duress.

I would start by distributing the topics vertically to make sure they have enough space to avoid triggering any anti-collision mechanism.

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How much space is enough? Its happens even when the topic size to line length ratio is 1:30 (see picture attached)

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I can't reproduce the same effect at the moment. Centre-aligning B and C does not shift A or B vertically.

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Are you on 22.2.207 ?

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I'm on 22.2.366

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Pleas update MindManager.

In 22.2.366 is a stupid bug with the aligning from floating topics

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How to update? If I click on "Check for updates" button in Mindmanager, I just get forwarded to the website to buy the new version.

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Do you have a subscription license or have you bought MM22?

Or do you have an MSA enterprise contract?

If not, please contact support for the download link to MM22.2.207

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